Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby opticyclic » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:02 pm

The first impression is that it looks good.
However, after using it for a while there are some small rough edges.

Installer
While you are waiting to finish install there is an image saying how great all the new features are.
This image is too big and causes scroll bars to appear.
There is also only one image. It would be better to have multiple in a slide show so you had something to look at while you wait.
e.g. showcase some of these great features, put some tips on using the system there

Keyboard shortcuts
Zorin announced the switch of government PCs to Zorin so I was expecting Windows keyboard shortcuts to work.
  • Win/Super + E - Open File Manager
  • Win/Super + D - Minimise all and show Desktop
  • Win/Super + M - Minimise all and show Desktop (2 shortcuts for the same thing!)
  • Win/Super + R - Run dialog in Windows. Probably Universal Search in activities.
  • Win/Super + Tab - Switch applications/windows (works)
  • Win/Super + Tab - Lock computer (works)

Maybe some people don't like or want this though so I propose that there should be a small application that switches between Windows keyboard shortcuts and Default shortcuts at a click of a button.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7687
I'm not talking about the the normal shortcut editor but a wrapper around it with essentially just 2 buttons that switch between the shortcut groups.

Context Menus
There are some context/right-click menus that I would like to see too:
On the Task Bar
  • Task Manager
  • Show Desktop
  • Task bar properties

On the start icon

On the clock
  • Edit time

On the Desktop
  • Display properties (resolution etc)

On the start menu
  • Edit entry - e.g. I might want to add an extra command line switch

Browsers
The default browser is Chromium. However, it is very vanilla.
How about you package some addins with it?
Your choice of adblocker would be a good start.

The "Zorin Web Browser Manager" is a nice touch. However, it is a bit too spartan.
  • There is too much white space around the internal box
  • There is no information about what these browsers are - a tooltip or extra column with a description would be useful
  • What is 'Web"? The icon looks like Safari but I had to search to find out it is the new name for Epiphany. See point above
  • Include some more browsers such as Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, Konqueror
  • Include info about download size e.g. if you don't have KDE installed Konq will bring in a lot

Theme
The Grub screen could do with a bit more branding.
Right now it is OK but a little plain.
e.g. make it the same as the boot splash or log in wallpaper.

The high contrast black looks good on the start menu and small dialogs like the clock and Wifi/Volume popups.
However, there is inconsistency in the other applications.
The main theme appears to be white.
e.g.Files, Calculator, Archive Manager, Chromium, Libre Office, etc etc

but some other applications have the high contrast black theme the same as the start menu
e.g. Pitivi, Photos, Videos, Cheese etc

There should be a system wide theme and maybe the option to change the theme of individual applications if I want.

Applications
GIMP is not really a good choice for a distro like this. It is also set to floating window mode instead of single window.
Pinta would be a better choice as it is not as complicated as GIMP but at the same time is not too basic.

Gedit is pretty basic compared to Notepad++.
SciTE or JuffEd would be better choices.

Is Brasero needed? Is CD/DVD writing still popular?
Would an ISO to USB application be more worthwhile?

Wine is 1.6.2 but the latest stable version is 1.8.5.

On the start menu there are no tooltips to tell you what an application is.
Cheese is probably the best example of needing a tooltip!
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby Swarfendor437 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:37 pm

dante64ster wrote:Unfortunately I still can't install the 32 bit version. At the end of the installation it says that it has collapsed. Could anybody help me?


Hi, firstly the best thing is to do a manual install - is this going to be the only OS or dual-boot with Windows/other GNU/Linux? ;) :D
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby Swarfendor437 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:48 pm

OK, I can't say too much at present but due to personal circumstances (not mine I point out!), the final release of Zorin 12 has had to be delayed - it was set for release this weekend ... but if things go to plan it should arrive some time next week - I can wait another two - better not to release an ubuntu 16.04 or follow Microslops bad example of releasing stuff of poor quality and people turn away. ;) :D
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby opticyclic » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:13 am

Are we going to to be able to upgrade from the beta to the release?
And are you going to have time to implement all my points before next week? ;)
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby opticyclic » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:23 am

As mentioned earlier, the first impression is good.
However, the more I use it, the more the minimal theme gets on my nerves.
Applications like Evince and Archive Manager don't look finished (even though I know they are explicitly designed to look like that).
There is no status bar, toolbar and there is no distinction between the menu and the main application area.
If I compare qpdfview to Evince it looks much more colourful and nicer to work with.
Is this just a theme or do I have to switch the applications to ones that don't look so basic?
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby Swarfendor437 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:24 pm

opticyclic wrote:Are we going to to be able to upgrade from the beta to the release?
And are you going to have time to implement all my points before next week? ;)


I think I have explained before I am a volunteer moderator ... I have no involvement whatsoever in the development of Zorin; a seasoned desktop user with 14 years of GNU/Linux tinkering.

Zorin is not a roll-up distribution ~ you need to follow Wolfman's post-installation guide and in particular the section on upgrading. If a roll-up distribution is critical for you I would advise you to take a look at SolydXK or Deepin. ;) :D
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby dante64ster » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:33 pm

Hi, firstly the best thing is to do a manual install - is this going to be the only OS or dual-boot with Windows/other GNU/Linux? ;) :D


Hi, it is going to be only OS. I used, Zorin os 9, now i wanted to install this version, but the installer has collapsed all the time. :( I always have tried from pendrive so far.
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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby Swarfendor437 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:51 pm

OK, does your processor support PAE? If it doesn't that could be the issue - try creating a USB with Rufus:

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Re: Zorin OS 12 Beta Feedback

Postby Swarfendor437 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:57 pm

opticyclic wrote:As mentioned earlier, the first impression is good.
However, the more I use it, the more the minimal theme gets on my nerves.
Applications like Evince and Archive Manager don't look finished (even though I know they are explicitly designed to look like that).
There is no status bar, toolbar and there is no distinction between the menu and the main application area.
If I compare qpdfview to Evince it looks much more colourful and nicer to work with.
Is this just a theme or do I have to switch the applications to ones that don't look so basic?


Interesting thread about Evince et al pdf viewers here:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267021

I seem to remember you mentioned 'peazip' in another thread - you could always install it yourself - it is supposed to be in the repositories:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=854198&page=2

What you have to remember is that you get to choose the apps you want to use at no cost most of the time. ;) :D
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GNOME 2 Request in Zorin 12

Postby zoringroup21 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:03 pm

Folks, Please bring back GNOME 2.

New desktop is a nice entertainment for kids - WE RESPECT IT.

We use Zorin in the production of the newspaper - the entire team.

We need to pin to the task bar hourly used programs, not to click 10 times to scroll and find it in the new menu. I know, there is an option of Windows look - we have no desire of going back in time.

Kindly consider adding back a "professional" look to Zorin 12.

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