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Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:36 am
by ukahg
Hello,

I purchased Zorin v12 Ultimate a while ago and would like to upgrade to v15; I understand I cannot do an in-place upgrade so would have to install it from scratch, but I've not found a way to download Ultimate 15 using my current license - Is this possible or do I really need to buy Zorin again?

Cheers,
Alan

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:00 pm
by Swarfendor437
Hi,

Artyom did state in an interview on DestinationLinux that it would not be a free upgrade - Others who have bought Ulitmate since release 7 have also queried a discount - I have already raised a PM to Team Zorin about this as it is quite a leap from €19 to €39. ;)

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:55 pm
by ukahg
Swarfendor437 wrote:Hi,

Artyom did state in an interview on DestinationLinux that it would not be a free upgrade - Others who have bought Ulitmate since release 7 have also queried a discount - I have already raised a PM to Team Zorin about this as it is quite a leap from €19 to €39. ;)


Agreed on the 105% :o price increase. To be honest if it was €19 for v15 I'd be tempted, but at €39 I'll stick with v12 or even go back to Ubuntu.

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:17 pm
by johnk46
I to would willing to pay v12 price for v15 but not $39. too rich for my blood. I will be sticking with v12.

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:57 pm
by MBMz10
From the Zorin OS website:
Scroll down to the last few lines.

"Direct upgrades from Zorin OS 12 to 15 – without needing to re-install the operating system – will be available later this year."
https://zoringroup.com/blog/2019/06/05/ ... connected/

Not sure if 12 Ultimate will upgrade to 15 Ultimate, wait and see.

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:34 am
by AZorin
@ukahg @johnk46 @MBMz10 Thanks for your posts and for your contributions to Zorin OS, they help us enormously to keep the project running for the benefit of all! I have just sent you PMs about this.

As a small team working full-time on Zorin OS, we could keep the project going and progressing over the past decade primarily because we've been able to pay the bills with the sales of the Ultimate edition. However, if you've been following the development of Zorin OS 15, you probably noticed that it has taken much longer than expected to get the release developed and this is due to the limited manpower we have for programming, documentation and support, amongst other administrative tasks behind the scenes.
The long-term goal would be to be able to hire more full-time developers to not only improve Zorin OS faster, but also contribute to upstream projects such as the kernel, Gnome, XFCE et al. We think this would accelerate progress towards our goal of making Linux accessible to as many people as possible in the general public.
In order to raise the funds to go on this path, we didn't want to make the compromises that other companies have done such as advertising or selling user data. We're aware that not everyone is able to pay money for Zorin OS – which is why we've made the Core, Lite and Education editions free – but having a sustainable way to fund the project can mean the difference between it thriving and it abruptly ending, like what recently happened to Antergos. Our plan over the next year will be to develop tools and services for business & government users of Zorin OS and generate revenue from them. This will hopefully allow us to avoid price increases to Zorin OS Ultimate in the future while still allowing us to achieve our goal and improving Zorin OS for everyone, but it will still require more resources than we have now to get there.

In addition, when we previously launched both Zorin OS 12 Ultimate and Lite Ultimate, there were many customers who were confused about the 2 editions and that they were purchased separately (2 X €19). With the new version, we've included both the full Ultimate and Ultimate Lite editions (which will be available later this summer) in the same bundle, so anyone who purchases Ultimate for their main computer would be able to use the Ultimate Lite edition on an old PC they might have. We've combined the 2 editions so you'd be getting both this time around.

Once again, thank you for your contributions, they really mean a lot!

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:22 am
by gavers
I want to be sure I understand Zorin's position here. Because some people bought two copies of Zorin 12 for €38, you're now charging everyone €39 for Zorin 15 regardless of if they need or want a second license. You're also not offering any upgrade pricing, nor a way to do an in-place upgrade from 12 to 15. This might be understandable if I'd bought Zorin 12 three or four years ago and skipped versions 13 and 14. But I bought it 18 months ago and there have been no interim versions. Even if I thought this upgrade were worth €39 I wouldn't buy it, because for all I know you'll hit me up for €80 in another 18 months. I find the statement "thank you for your contributions, they really mean a lot" completely disingenuous. You might change that to "thank you for your contributions, but they really weren't enough!"

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:40 pm
by Swarfendor437
gavers wrote:I want to be sure I understand Zorin's position here. Because some people bought two copies of Zorin 12 for €38, you're now charging everyone €39 for Zorin 15 regardless of if they need or want a second license. You're also not offering any upgrade pricing, nor a way to do an in-place upgrade from 12 to 15. This might be understandable if I'd bought Zorin 12 three or four years ago and skipped versions 13 and 14. But I bought it 18 months ago and there have been no interim versions. Even if I thought this upgrade were worth €39 I wouldn't buy it, because for all I know you'll hit me up for €80 in another 18 months. I find the statement "thank you for your contributions, they really mean a lot" completely disingenuous. You might change that to "thank you for your contributions, but they really weren't enough!"


Firstly I'm not a spokesperson for Team Zorin but Artyom has explained the reasons quite plainly., Zorin 11 was the last 'development release. There will be no more single number iterations. Zorin LTS releases go up in 3s Zorin 6 was the first LTS in line with Ubuntu 12.04, Zorin 9 (Ubuntu 14.04), Zorin 12 (Ubuntu 16.04) supported until April 2021 and now Zorin 15 supported until April 2027. If you are finding it hard to swallow then simply get Core and add the applications that you want. I will be adding recommendations of Applications you can add to core in the current unofficial manual, I am working on. I'm a volunteer and moderating on this forum is detracting from me progressing with the manual. Apart from responding to posts where I can I also have to moderate posts before they can be submitted and removing forum spammers who have nothing better to do than be notorious P. I. A. s

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:34 am
by gavers
Swarfendor437 wrote:Firstly I'm not a spokesperson for Team Zorin but Artyom has explained the reasons quite plainly. <snip> If you are finding it hard to swallow then simply get Core and add the applications that you want. <snip> I'm a volunteer and moderating on this forum is detracting from me progressing with the manual. Apart from responding to posts where I can I also have to moderate posts before they can be submitted and removing forum spammers who have nothing better to do than be notorious P. I. A. s


My post was in response to AZorin whose post directly above mine, so I'm not really sure why you felt the need to post this condescending reply whingeing on about your time management problems, and the issues you have doing something you volunteer to do.

Re: Upgrading from Zorin 12 Ultimate to version 15

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:28 pm
by Swarfendor437
Care to help as you seem to know more than I do! :P